Root cause of the multi-day degeneration hunt, operator-confirmed: the AEON
NVFP4 W4A4 quant (sakamakismile/Qwen3.8-27B-AEON-ULTIMATE-UNCENSORED-NVFP4,
full W4A4 incl. attention) went degenerate ~15-20% of generations in real
multi-turn use and forced regenerates. MTP, prefix-caching, and the gateway
all merely AMPLIFIED it, which is why MTP-off, APC-off, and the vLLM #51113
fix each 'helped' a synthetic probe without fixing it -- three plausible
false root-causes, each passing one clean run then failing in real use.
The fix was the WEIGHTS: the in-house JonathanColetti/Heretic mixed
NVFP4+FP8 build (qwen38-27b-uncensored-nvfp4-mixed, FP8 attention not W4A4,
same base, same MTP) is coherent through long multi-turn with MTP ON. W4A4
*attention* was the defect; FP8 attention is not.
This commit:
- GEN_MODEL -> the mixed FP8-attn build (primary gen until DavidAU 3.8 lands)
- GEN_IMAGE pinned to vllm/vllm-openai:nightly-311b3513... (v0.27.2rc1.dev150,
carries #51113; pinned by sha so it does not drift on the next pull)
- AEON weights PURGED from /tank (no-good), safety-checked not-in-use first
- playbook 3.8: the stochastic-W4A4-degeneration lesson + isolate-weights-early
+ do-not-declare-a-fix-from-one-probe (it validated three non-fixes)
AEON is re-pullable from HF if ever needed, but the operator ruled it no-good.
Re-quantizes the fleet `gen` seat from weight-only NVFP4A16 to a
mixed-precision build: NVFP4 W4A4 for layers 0-55 MLPs, FP8 W8A8 for the
attention projections / linear_attn / lm_head / layers 56-63 MLPs, FP8 KV
cache. Replicates the scheme of unsloth/Qwen3.8-27B-NVFP4 on the
abliterated weights.
The queued task named this "W4A8" (NVFP4 weights + FP8 activations). That
checkpoint cannot be served: vLLM 0.24's compressed-tensors dispatcher
(compressed_tensors.py:704-713) accepts NVFP4 weights with either no input
quantization (W4A16, which forces the Marlin kernel) or NVFP4 input
quantization (W4A4) -- anything else, FP8 included, raises ValueError at
load. CompressedTensorsW4A8Fp8 is INT4 weights gated on an exact-sm90
check, so it is closed on Blackwell twice over. The ~20% intuition was
correct; the scheme name was not. Getting FP8 into the mix has to be done
per-layer-group.
Established the gain before spending GPU time: unsloth's build was already
on-box, so serving it as a probe measured +19.1% over our seat at identical
MTP acceptance -- a kernel-level result, no requant needed to learn it.
Measured, cache-busted, bs=1:
decode 80.12 -> 94.53 tok/s (+18.0%)
MTP acceptance 47.8% -> 47.7% (unchanged)
perplexity (n=6) 6.941 -> 7.059 (+1.7%)
abliteration 4/4 -> 4/4 (preserved)
weights on disk 27.7 -> 22.5 GB (-19%)
Surface test green on the live seat: plain chat, vision, tool calling,
thinking split, 36K-token needle retrieval, streaming. All 7 LiteLLM
aliases verified routing.
GEN_GPU_MEM_UTIL 0.45 -> 0.43: the new weights are 5.2 GB smaller, and at
0.45 the seat absorbed that slack as KV, leaving meromero-charrp 0.18 GiB
short of its budget on the shared GPU0 -- it crash-looped. Handing the
space back leaves gen 422K tokens of KV (1.6x its 262K context) and both
seats co-resident at 89.8/97.9 GB.
Also records two measured negatives so they are not re-chased:
GEN_SPEC_TOKENS is already optimal at 3 (swept 2/3/4/5 -> 77.1/80.1/78.7/
75.9 tok/s), and vLLM's prompt_logprobs are ~uniform while speculative
decoding is on, so perplexity must be measured with spec off.
Pipeline, acceptance harness and raw measurements land in
services/gen-seat-mixed-quant/. Rollback is one .env line; the previous
build is untouched at /tank/aimodels/qwen38-27b-uncensored-nvfp4.
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